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	<title>Comments on: Scientific theories are not the same as religious faith</title>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
		<link>http://veryflatcat.com/2007/06/10/scientific-theories-are-not-the-same-as-religious-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! It was an interesting and weird journey. For a very long time I was on the edge of the shadow, not really certain which side of the line I "should be", or something stupid. This year I was still flirting with the shadow, wondering what lurks there, maybe due to caring about friends and family? The last step was to stop being intrigued, to "stop caring", to turn my back on shadow, and run free in the sun.

Once I have developed a nice tan, am in good shape, I can still grab a flashlight every now and then, and go for brief excusions in the dark, looking for people that are keen to stretch their legs and run across the sun-lit fields.

Of course, flashlight selection is important. Too bright a light will only scare people away. Sometimes a candle works best, sometimes you need to work in the moonlight...

Hmm, I might be over-extending this metaphor...

(Of course, some people are simply happier in the shadow. I suppose that's fine, as long as they don't spread darkness, and allow other people, including their kids, the freedom to go play in the sun...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! It was an interesting and weird journey. For a very long time I was on the edge of the shadow, not really certain which side of the line I &#8220;should be&#8221;, or something stupid. This year I was still flirting with the shadow, wondering what lurks there, maybe due to caring about friends and family? The last step was to stop being intrigued, to &#8220;stop caring&#8221;, to turn my back on shadow, and run free in the sun.</p>
<p>Once I have developed a nice tan, am in good shape, I can still grab a flashlight every now and then, and go for brief excusions in the dark, looking for people that are keen to stretch their legs and run across the sun-lit fields.</p>
<p>Of course, flashlight selection is important. Too bright a light will only scare people away. Sometimes a candle works best, sometimes you need to work in the moonlight&#8230;</p>
<p>Hmm, I might be over-extending this metaphor&#8230;</p>
<p>(Of course, some people are simply happier in the shadow. I suppose that&#8217;s fine, as long as they don&#8217;t spread darkness, and allow other people, including their kids, the freedom to go play in the sun&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hugo
Congratulations on having moved into the light (not this blog!) but away from religion. I have recently become more of the opinion that religion is actually harmful because it really builds an artificial wall in peoples heads that prevents the rather profound and majestic reality of our existence from entering ones conciousness. Denying this majesty is actually evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hugo<br />
Congratulations on having moved into the light (not this blog!) but away from religion. I have recently become more of the opinion that religion is actually harmful because it really builds an artificial wall in peoples heads that prevents the rather profound and majestic reality of our existence from entering ones conciousness. Denying this majesty is actually evil.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! Great post! This is kinda me saying I discovered your blog. ;-)

Yea, the moderates... I have an extended family that I could label "fundamentalists". My parents might be labelled "moderates"? And the church they attend, is a "good" one (if one assumes there exists "good" churches - "good" churches believe you should doubt, you should ask questions...?)

I also think that "good religion" (again, assuming there exists a "good" religion, else just call it "moderate" religion?), might possibly be one of the best or most successful ways out of fundamentalism, for the fundamentalists. I'm just not convinced that hard-hitting "militant/extreme" atheism is an effective strategy - then again, it differs from person to person, and hard-hitting atheism might just "save" some people. It won't influence my extended family though... which is why I've been pondering what "good religion" would have to be.

On another front, I just cannot decide whether "belief in a higher power" should be considered harmful or not. Some people do derive great benefits from such a belief, it can be a good influence in their lives. OTOH, it can also be dangerous... &lt;em&gt;sigh&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! Great post! This is kinda me saying I discovered your blog. <img src='http://veryflatcat.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Yea, the moderates&#8230; I have an extended family that I could label &#8220;fundamentalists&#8221;. My parents might be labelled &#8220;moderates&#8221;? And the church they attend, is a &#8220;good&#8221; one (if one assumes there exists &#8220;good&#8221; churches - &#8220;good&#8221; churches believe you should doubt, you should ask questions&#8230;?)</p>
<p>I also think that &#8220;good religion&#8221; (again, assuming there exists a &#8220;good&#8221; religion, else just call it &#8220;moderate&#8221; religion?), might possibly be one of the best or most successful ways out of fundamentalism, for the fundamentalists. I&#8217;m just not convinced that hard-hitting &#8220;militant/extreme&#8221; atheism is an effective strategy - then again, it differs from person to person, and hard-hitting atheism might just &#8220;save&#8221; some people. It won&#8217;t influence my extended family though&#8230; which is why I&#8217;ve been pondering what &#8220;good religion&#8221; would have to be.</p>
<p>On another front, I just cannot decide whether &#8220;belief in a higher power&#8221; should be considered harmful or not. Some people do derive great benefits from such a belief, it can be a good influence in their lives. OTOH, it can also be dangerous&#8230; <em>sigh</em></p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://veryflatcat.com/2007/06/10/scientific-theories-are-not-the-same-as-religious-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have now read Sam Harris' "The End of Faith". I was really fascinated by what he has to say, particularly his take on mysticism given his outright rejection of faith. It complements Dawkin's book in that it focusses more on moral and ethical considerations as well as meditation and associated philosophical implications, something Dawkins avoids completely. He is rather rough on even the moderate proponents of faith (I think moderates may be a stepping stone to break humanity of its faith fetish), but I buy his basic premise. We can get everything we need without resorting to faith, and we loose a great deal if we allow faith anywhere near our daily doings. Just take a look at George Bush or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Both lobotomised by faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have now read Sam Harris&#8217; &#8220;The End of Faith&#8221;. I was really fascinated by what he has to say, particularly his take on mysticism given his outright rejection of faith. It complements Dawkin&#8217;s book in that it focusses more on moral and ethical considerations as well as meditation and associated philosophical implications, something Dawkins avoids completely. He is rather rough on even the moderate proponents of faith (I think moderates may be a stepping stone to break humanity of its faith fetish), but I buy his basic premise. We can get everything we need without resorting to faith, and we loose a great deal if we allow faith anywhere near our daily doings. Just take a look at George Bush or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Both lobotomised by faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice explanation of scientific theory and the adaptability (dare I mention 'evolution'?) of the theory and scientists in general.  Next time I have to explain the difference between religious faith and scientific (temporal) trust/acceptance, I'll just point the sheeple here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice explanation of scientific theory and the adaptability (dare I mention &#8216;evolution&#8217;?) of the theory and scientists in general.  Next time I have to explain the difference between religious faith and scientific (temporal) trust/acceptance, I&#8217;ll just point the sheeple here.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The End of Faith" is next on my purchase list. I have read and greatly enjoyed  "The God Delusion" and "Climbing Mount Improbable" so "The End of Faith" is a logical next read. Thanks for reminding me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The End of Faith&#8221; is next on my purchase list. I have read and greatly enjoyed  &#8220;The God Delusion&#8221; and &#8220;Climbing Mount Improbable&#8221; so &#8220;The End of Faith&#8221; is a logical next read. Thanks for reminding me!</p>
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		<title>By: Rudolph</title>
		<link>http://veryflatcat.com/2007/06/10/scientific-theories-are-not-the-same-as-religious-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Dave. Have you read any of Sam Harris's books? I'm currently busy with "The End of Faith", a great read indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Dave. Have you read any of Sam Harris&#8217;s books? I&#8217;m currently busy with &#8220;The End of Faith&#8221;, a great read indeed.</p>
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